Saturday, April 21, 2012
stronger 3v3
doing 3v3 with mates, just wondering wats stronger DK/enh/priest or dk/hunter/priest.
cheers.
Both kinda suck tbh. I've seen one enhance in arena in about 5 months. DK/hunter/pally is a good setup, however, so if you have to choose between the two comps listed above, I'd choose dk/hunter/priest
quick fix for blood tanking
With Improved Bloodstrike we gain damage, crit, and healing that applies strictly to DS. Why not get rid of the crit, which is unnecessary for tanks anyway, and give us 6-7% hit chance. The hit chance would be strictly tied to DS so as not to be overpowered and 1-2% of hit would be easy to get. And if that seems to op replace the crit with an 8% reduction to parry chance so that at 26 expertise DS can not be parried or dodged.
Correct if I'm wrong but either way would be easy to implement and would not be ridiculously op whereas it applies strictly to DS. Also it would be a great step in the right direction to making DK tanks just a little less spiky.
Correct if I'm wrong but either way would be easy to implement and would not be ridiculously op whereas it applies strictly to DS. Also it would be a great step in the right direction to making DK tanks just a little less spiky.
So how gear dependent is UH dps?
I recently picked up the 378 Axe off shannox as well as a few other pieces, and moved from DW frost (2x 353 weapons) and my dps did go up just not as consistently as i wanted. Probably from 14kish (average i had higher and lower) to 16kish I have hit as hitgh as 22k and as low as 13 depending on fight mechanics. I am just wondering if I will get higher performance out of 2h frost given my gear or if 2h UH will probably be my best bet unless I can lay my hands on a pair of the 378 boe 1h axes (unlikely). Personally I prefer unholy as it is seen less often and fits my consistency over potential play style.
So for the more experienced dps DKs out there the real question is should I just keep grinding out the JP and t11 upgrades I can get and stick with UH or will Frost give me more while getting the gear to back UH up?
All class/spec combos depend on gear. You won't magically jump up 6k DPS once you reach a magic item level. Your gear, as is, doesn't support UH very well at all. If you want to do Unholy, you need to trade all of your expertise for Haste and Mastery.
Switch to D/W frost, get better gear, continue to be D/W frost, and put out more damage then you will as Unholy. If you want to play unholy, because you like the play style better, or whatever your reason, then play Unholy, but you're going to want to go read up on stat weights for unholy. It's not a matter of gear dependance, there's no magical point in gear level where unholy is going to be better then D/W frost at this point.
So for the more experienced dps DKs out there the real question is should I just keep grinding out the JP and t11 upgrades I can get and stick with UH or will Frost give me more while getting the gear to back UH up?
All class/spec combos depend on gear. You won't magically jump up 6k DPS once you reach a magic item level. Your gear, as is, doesn't support UH very well at all. If you want to do Unholy, you need to trade all of your expertise for Haste and Mastery.
Switch to D/W frost, get better gear, continue to be D/W frost, and put out more damage then you will as Unholy. If you want to play unholy, because you like the play style better, or whatever your reason, then play Unholy, but you're going to want to go read up on stat weights for unholy. It's not a matter of gear dependance, there's no magical point in gear level where unholy is going to be better then D/W frost at this point.
Unholy PvP: How to
Hey all, I've played Frost exclusively and know all there is to know.
I only play 2s with a healer so the DpS is all me.
I was wanting to give unholy a try but I have only two questions.
1. Typical rotation to kill healers.
2. Typical rotation to purely DpS.
Both as Unholy. I know there isn't a "rotation", but surely there is a typical way to down each. Thank you
Now I don't play a DK. So don't take my word for it. But I'm pretty sure you want to Necrotic Strike as much as you can.. so like.
Chains, Plague Strike or Necrotic strike, Necrotic Strike. Then frost rune and two blood runes into death runes. Festering strike plus a blood strike or pestilence. Then go to town with necrotics.
I dunno, something like that.
keep your diseases up, and get 5 deathcoils to make pet an abom and summon gargoyle.
Once you've done that necrotic strike and Festering Strike are your friend. ;)
I understand things will different when i hit lvl cap, but I'm wondering why everyone is cutting Scourge Strike from their PvP burst rotations. At my level, it hits like a Mack truck. Is this not the case at 85, or is the utility of the other strikes too important to justify spending the runes?
I only play 2s with a healer so the DpS is all me.
I was wanting to give unholy a try but I have only two questions.
1. Typical rotation to kill healers.
2. Typical rotation to purely DpS.
Both as Unholy. I know there isn't a "rotation", but surely there is a typical way to down each. Thank you
Now I don't play a DK. So don't take my word for it. But I'm pretty sure you want to Necrotic Strike as much as you can.. so like.
Chains, Plague Strike or Necrotic strike, Necrotic Strike. Then frost rune and two blood runes into death runes. Festering strike plus a blood strike or pestilence. Then go to town with necrotics.
I dunno, something like that.
keep your diseases up, and get 5 deathcoils to make pet an abom and summon gargoyle.
Once you've done that necrotic strike and Festering Strike are your friend. ;)
I understand things will different when i hit lvl cap, but I'm wondering why everyone is cutting Scourge Strike from their PvP burst rotations. At my level, it hits like a Mack truck. Is this not the case at 85, or is the utility of the other strikes too important to justify spending the runes?
Frost spec DW heirloom
If I go frost DW for weapons should I use the agility/crit 2.8 sword and then 2.8 Parry sword?
Yes.
No. Use 2 agil maces. they give haste which really helps out the build all around. The agil part doesnt matter till 80 anyways, this is how i did it and was literally blowing EVERYTHING up till i hit cata content and had to switch weapons.
Yes.
No. Use 2 agil maces. they give haste which really helps out the build all around. The agil part doesnt matter till 80 anyways, this is how i did it and was literally blowing EVERYTHING up till i hit cata content and had to switch weapons.
PVP Presence
Just getting into a little PVP on my Deathknight. What Presence should I use as a Lvl 85 Frost DW Dk? Thanks!
Unholy presence for 2h frost/dw frost/2h unholy. The GCD decrease is essential for pvp
Unholy presence for 2h frost/dw frost/2h unholy. The GCD decrease is essential for pvp
PVP- Rogue or DK?
Hey all, i'm curious about the state of Death knights for pvp atm. ive got one at 80, and am lvling up my rogue(currently 84) and i just want to know what class would be a better for pvp atm.
unholy dk 2s help please
hey guys, im currently at 1600 rating in 2s with my resto shaman, i have all 371 gear n gettin my weapon next tuesday. i know my character prrtty thoroughly, n have a razer naga so every spells keybound but i was wondering what the best partner for 2s is, i thinking another uh dk would be unstoppable burst, also i lovefrost but i feel like uh is better for 2s cuz ns spam, can frost be as good? also hows dw frost im interested in trying it, also any helpfulcriticisn on my talents specs or glyphs would be awesome, and any general advice on otations etc for either spec and what i could do to raise my rating higher, thanks! :)
Pally or DK?
Looking for a character for end game pvp/pve casual play. Debating between a pally or dk because both have the option to tank, are melee, and have dps specs. Wondering what the pros and cons are, and whether one would be better for a more casual player?
For a casual player I would suggest a pally. They're a hybrid and are pretty easy to play. for pvp i like the bubble shield and for PvE the healing.
For DK, i use frost which is the DPS class and the rotation is simple. Im not sure about the survivability.
For Pally, I do less DPS than my frost, but i survive longer with heals.
Pally, way easier to get into tanking as a pally than as a DK, I have no real opinions on pvp.
Good deal, appreciate the information.
I figured DK tanking was a bit trickier than a pally. At least it appears that way.
Though, If you wanna be a DK, make a DK. You can learn, it's not like if pally is easier you NEED to make a pally.
Pally Tanking:
Pros
Rotation is simple and easy to get into
Pally tanks are some of the most desired tanks, due to a raid CD and great survivability
Cons
Perhaps too simple of a rotation, sometimes I feel like I'm just a dps that gets smacked in the face.
DK Tanking:
Pros
If you know what you're doing, you could be an amazing tank, especially if you're just doing casual play
More involving and rewarding, if you do it right.
Cons
Many flawed mechanics, though not as noticeable in casual content
Can be the worst tank if you don't properly research the class and cycle CDs
As for DPS, I personally prefer DK DPS. You'll generally do a lot better with an equal gear level as a DK, especially as frost. The rotation is very simple. Ret is based on a lot of RNG and CDs. You can get lucky and do amazing, or not so lucky and do pretty horrid.
Pallys, however, do have the option of healing, which I would consider a pro as well.
If your interest in tanking is greater than null go paladin. Blizzard will adjust their dps soon. Death Knight tanking is going to be a train-wreck for the rest of the expansion. Paladin tanks are just so vastly superior and have been since Ulduar.
If you tank as a paladin you risk losing your sanity, your life, and your cookies. . . Its that annoyingly easy
Ret is almost as bad, you will only lose most your sanity and your cookies
Id rather have very little fun than mountains of kitten-punching frustration. Go Pallie.
For a casual player I would suggest a pally. They're a hybrid and are pretty easy to play. for pvp i like the bubble shield and for PvE the healing.
For DK, i use frost which is the DPS class and the rotation is simple. Im not sure about the survivability.
For Pally, I do less DPS than my frost, but i survive longer with heals.
Pally, way easier to get into tanking as a pally than as a DK, I have no real opinions on pvp.
Good deal, appreciate the information.
I figured DK tanking was a bit trickier than a pally. At least it appears that way.
Though, If you wanna be a DK, make a DK. You can learn, it's not like if pally is easier you NEED to make a pally.
Pally Tanking:
Pros
Rotation is simple and easy to get into
Pally tanks are some of the most desired tanks, due to a raid CD and great survivability
Cons
Perhaps too simple of a rotation, sometimes I feel like I'm just a dps that gets smacked in the face.
DK Tanking:
Pros
If you know what you're doing, you could be an amazing tank, especially if you're just doing casual play
More involving and rewarding, if you do it right.
Cons
Many flawed mechanics, though not as noticeable in casual content
Can be the worst tank if you don't properly research the class and cycle CDs
As for DPS, I personally prefer DK DPS. You'll generally do a lot better with an equal gear level as a DK, especially as frost. The rotation is very simple. Ret is based on a lot of RNG and CDs. You can get lucky and do amazing, or not so lucky and do pretty horrid.
Pallys, however, do have the option of healing, which I would consider a pro as well.
If your interest in tanking is greater than null go paladin. Blizzard will adjust their dps soon. Death Knight tanking is going to be a train-wreck for the rest of the expansion. Paladin tanks are just so vastly superior and have been since Ulduar.
If you tank as a paladin you risk losing your sanity, your life, and your cookies. . . Its that annoyingly easy
Ret is almost as bad, you will only lose most your sanity and your cookies
Id rather have very little fun than mountains of kitten-punching frustration. Go Pallie.
4.2 Frost DK PvP questions
Heey guys, k before we start, I know im just a little level 70 :D. But im just trying to get frost dk pvp cleared up before level 85 so i know what im doing. K lets get started.
I'm pretty sure ill be going DW. And i'm pretty sure that means ill be in frost pres all the time. Correct me if im wrong.
And do DW frost dks use obliterate at all? Or should i use my runes up on death strike instead?
What runeforges should i have on my weapons?
Whats a general rotation for a dw frost dk loook like?
I've heard frost dks say, "Spam HB to build runic power then do a frost strike dump." I've been trying that and it hasn't been going well so far..
Should I spec into rime and annhilation?
Thanks in advance guys :D.
Obliterate is strictly situational in a sense that you only use it against clothies under 35% health with diseases.
HB is not the only thing you'll be spamming. It's both Necrotic Strike and HB.
In a perfect world, I guess it's something like Outbreak -> NS x4 -> HB x2 -> FS dump.
(you'd want to spam Necrotic Strike as much as you can on healers. It deprives them of heals. It's amazing)
In PvP, you'd want Unholy Pressence, Lower GCD = More spells in the long run. the speed boost is nice as well.
Hello, i'll help out.
First of all, the guy above me isn't necessarily wrong, but he's talking about 2h Frost and not DW so no hard feelings but ignore all that.
Edit: STACK MASTERY
On to your questions;
1. You will use unholy presence for either frost or unholy spec.
2. DW frost will never use Oblit because we don't spec into Annihilation. (See my secondary spec for a starting place for speccing DW frost correctly. (As DW you can choose between speccing into the blood tree for 1min strangulates (as i did), or the unholy tree for desecration. Its a personal prefence/arena comp decision)
3. You want to use Razorice and Cinderglacier on your weps
4. Okay so the key to playing Frost successfully is Runic Power management. What you don't want is getting Killing Machine procs, and not having any RP to use them so you waddle around auto attacking like a tard . So yes you want to use your death and frost runes on either Howling Blast or Chains of Ice. This leaves you with two unholy runs that you will use necrotic on. However HB and Frost strikes are a far higher priority.
5. Rime is useless in PvP, annhilation is for 2h peeps for occaisionally obliterate of leather/cloth below 35%
That should get you started. Also a side note, you'll need to reforge your gear for 2% hit, you get the other 3 passively
Your welcome
I'm pretty sure ill be going DW. And i'm pretty sure that means ill be in frost pres all the time. Correct me if im wrong.
And do DW frost dks use obliterate at all? Or should i use my runes up on death strike instead?
What runeforges should i have on my weapons?
Whats a general rotation for a dw frost dk loook like?
I've heard frost dks say, "Spam HB to build runic power then do a frost strike dump." I've been trying that and it hasn't been going well so far..
Should I spec into rime and annhilation?
Thanks in advance guys :D.
Obliterate is strictly situational in a sense that you only use it against clothies under 35% health with diseases.
HB is not the only thing you'll be spamming. It's both Necrotic Strike and HB.
In a perfect world, I guess it's something like Outbreak -> NS x4 -> HB x2 -> FS dump.
(you'd want to spam Necrotic Strike as much as you can on healers. It deprives them of heals. It's amazing)
In PvP, you'd want Unholy Pressence, Lower GCD = More spells in the long run. the speed boost is nice as well.
Hello, i'll help out.
First of all, the guy above me isn't necessarily wrong, but he's talking about 2h Frost and not DW so no hard feelings but ignore all that.
Edit: STACK MASTERY
On to your questions;
1. You will use unholy presence for either frost or unholy spec.
2. DW frost will never use Oblit because we don't spec into Annihilation. (See my secondary spec for a starting place for speccing DW frost correctly. (As DW you can choose between speccing into the blood tree for 1min strangulates (as i did), or the unholy tree for desecration. Its a personal prefence/arena comp decision)
3. You want to use Razorice and Cinderglacier on your weps
4. Okay so the key to playing Frost successfully is Runic Power management. What you don't want is getting Killing Machine procs, and not having any RP to use them so you waddle around auto attacking like a tard . So yes you want to use your death and frost runes on either Howling Blast or Chains of Ice. This leaves you with two unholy runs that you will use necrotic on. However HB and Frost strikes are a far higher priority.
5. Rime is useless in PvP, annhilation is for 2h peeps for occaisionally obliterate of leather/cloth below 35%
That should get you started. Also a side note, you'll need to reforge your gear for 2% hit, you get the other 3 passively
Your welcome
Survivability as Frost in Solo pve
Hey guys,
I just got my DK to 85 after having him sit idle since wotlk. Gearing up is going well, slow but well. I am reforging to hit/expertise to cap, following the pve guide listed up top. My damage is amazing, however I find in solo pve 2-3 mobs give me trouble, even with the dark succor glyph, and my cooldowns.
I can kill them fine, they however can bring my health down quick, especially if I don't get procs. I try to make use of death strike, but it seems like I get burned down a tad fast in solo pve. I know it's probably a gear thing, but figured I would ask. Any ideas?
I am dw frost if it matters.
You are a glass cannon for the most part, try not to pull more than 1-2 at a time if you don't like seeing your health dip.
Depends on what your solo'ing I suppose. You can always leave your DPS gear on and go blood spec for the tougher fights. This is what I do for the Elite mobs and mini-bosses in the Molten Front. This works for soloing raids too.
Edit: didn't look at your gear first. You've got to get a lot more gear before you can solo 3+ mobs. Once you do though, it's ez.
Thank you all, and sarghurim I am already gearing up much quicker than anticipated. If my armory updated, I was very blessed these past two days, especially with the weapons from Heroic Deadmines to tide me over till ZA/ZG.
Appreciate the input guys
I just got my DK to 85 after having him sit idle since wotlk. Gearing up is going well, slow but well. I am reforging to hit/expertise to cap, following the pve guide listed up top. My damage is amazing, however I find in solo pve 2-3 mobs give me trouble, even with the dark succor glyph, and my cooldowns.
I can kill them fine, they however can bring my health down quick, especially if I don't get procs. I try to make use of death strike, but it seems like I get burned down a tad fast in solo pve. I know it's probably a gear thing, but figured I would ask. Any ideas?
I am dw frost if it matters.
You are a glass cannon for the most part, try not to pull more than 1-2 at a time if you don't like seeing your health dip.
Depends on what your solo'ing I suppose. You can always leave your DPS gear on and go blood spec for the tougher fights. This is what I do for the Elite mobs and mini-bosses in the Molten Front. This works for soloing raids too.
Edit: didn't look at your gear first. You've got to get a lot more gear before you can solo 3+ mobs. Once you do though, it's ez.
Thank you all, and sarghurim I am already gearing up much quicker than anticipated. If my armory updated, I was very blessed these past two days, especially with the weapons from Heroic Deadmines to tide me over till ZA/ZG.
Appreciate the input guys
So leveling rotations, right?
SO I'mma quest as frost 2h.
For frost, all I know is that I should get diseases up, obliterate and use frost strike as a runic dumb. What else should I know/how should I get the diseases up/what's a more efficient way of doing this? It seems neat except I'd just like to know more so I can play around and have fun instead of feeling like I'm mashing random buttons.
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For frost, all I know is that I should get diseases up, obliterate and use frost strike as a runic dumb. What else should I know/how should I get the diseases up/what's a more efficient way of doing this? It seems neat except I'd just like to know more so I can play around and have fun instead of feeling like I'm mashing random buttons.
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Frost DW pvp
Does it matter what main hand and off hand you actually equip im currently wearing a s9 one sword in MH and a Axe in the offhand click on my character pic to check my armory currently the dmg is fine the burst is great getting 16k main hand crits and 15k off hand crits with a killing machine/obliterate proc but thats on clothies ^^ lol but give me your advice cuz i've seen some frost pvp dks with the same weaps some with differant weaps
The game rolls a random number between bottom and top-end damage and that's the number you get. Seriously. It doesn't get any more complicated that that. All of those STR weapons are the same 2.6 speed. The damage ranges vary a bit, but that's it. There's no miracle choice.
The bro's with different weapons are probably doing that for racial bonuses (like +expertise) be a bamf and buy what looks the coolest to you.
It's all about racial benefits. I'm a human and I get +3 expertise wielding a sword or a mace. Expertise is important to me in PvP because I rarely get parried by a plate class or a rogue. I know for Worgens your critical increases for holding an axe. If you want to be a better player I would recommend wielding a weapon that best suits your race's specializations. It'll save you some trouble in the future when setting up your stat priorities.
The game rolls a random number between bottom and top-end damage and that's the number you get. Seriously. It doesn't get any more complicated that that. All of those STR weapons are the same 2.6 speed. The damage ranges vary a bit, but that's it. There's no miracle choice.
The bro's with different weapons are probably doing that for racial bonuses (like +expertise) be a bamf and buy what looks the coolest to you.
It's all about racial benefits. I'm a human and I get +3 expertise wielding a sword or a mace. Expertise is important to me in PvP because I rarely get parried by a plate class or a rogue. I know for Worgens your critical increases for holding an axe. If you want to be a better player I would recommend wielding a weapon that best suits your race's specializations. It'll save you some trouble in the future when setting up your stat priorities.
Killing Machine
So do I NEVER use KM on FS or is it ok if i can? I ask this because a few of the guides that i've been reading and watching say to just use KM on Obliterate. But I feel like its a dps loss when I just stand there waiting for my runes to refill just to use the proc. So is it alright if I use KM procs on FS or should I be using KM solely on Obliterate?
if its 3seconds cd left on oblit dont wait use it on fs. chances are in that 3 sec it'll be up again anyways, yes standing around doing nothing is a bigger waste than using it on fs
It's...kind of a split second decision you have to make sometimes to max your DPS. Personally I go with the rule that if KM is up, and I have 1sec time to wait on an Oblit, I'll wait. Otherwise I'll just use FS. Waiting too long will hinder DPS more than it will help it. I have enough haste that KM procs pretty often, so it's a whatever thing.
In a PvP situation use whatever you can to do any DPS towards your target. If you happen to use FS instead of OB that's alright. As long as you do some damage that's fine. For PvE you might have a little more time to think so use whatever fits best.
if its 3seconds cd left on oblit dont wait use it on fs. chances are in that 3 sec it'll be up again anyways, yes standing around doing nothing is a bigger waste than using it on fs
It's...kind of a split second decision you have to make sometimes to max your DPS. Personally I go with the rule that if KM is up, and I have 1sec time to wait on an Oblit, I'll wait. Otherwise I'll just use FS. Waiting too long will hinder DPS more than it will help it. I have enough haste that KM procs pretty often, so it's a whatever thing.
In a PvP situation use whatever you can to do any DPS towards your target. If you happen to use FS instead of OB that's alright. As long as you do some damage that's fine. For PvE you might have a little more time to think so use whatever fits best.
frost pvp macros
Hey guys i will only pvp on this toon so i was wondering if anyone could tell me good macros like i know theres 2 healing macros but may you guys share more. thanks so much
Here's a few useful ones:
"1 shot macro (not really but)"
/cast vicious gladiator's badge of victory
/cast pillar of frost
/cast horn of winter *this can any GCD you want it to be really, but having it as HoW I find is useful.
"MF focus"
#showtooltip mind freeze
/cast [target=focus, exists] mind freeze; mind freeze
"Strang focus"
#showtooltip strangulate
/cast [target=focus, exists] strangulate; strangulate
"DC self-heal"
#showtooltip Lichborne
/cast !Lichborne;
/cast [target=player] Death Coil
"Chains focus"
#showtooltip Chains of Ice
/cast [target=focus]Chains of Ice
"Grip focus"
#showtooltip death grip
/cast [target=focus, exists] death grip; death grip
A lot of really basic ones but yeah, using them makes your life that much easier.
For that I use
/Cast Vicious Gladiator's Bade of Victory (13 or 14)
/Cast Blood Tap
/Cast Pillar of Frost
Only downside is that you have to click on it 3 times. But since I button spam anyway, the time it takes in between each action (specifically from blood tap into pillar of frost) is practically really really small, barely noticeable. (I've practically clicked the hotkey fast enough that both timers started on 20 seconds and counted down at the same time.)
I also hate having to wait for a frost rune to use a cooldown, so when all my runes are down, blood tap activates into a pillar of frost, and then ERW for a refresh in runes.
@OP You can also use
#showtooltip Death pact
/castsequence Raise Dead, Death Pact
Yeah, I can see how that would help, I usually only pop it when I know I can (and usually with Unholy Strength is procced)
Here's a few useful ones:
"1 shot macro (not really but)"
/cast vicious gladiator's badge of victory
/cast pillar of frost
/cast horn of winter *this can any GCD you want it to be really, but having it as HoW I find is useful.
"MF focus"
#showtooltip mind freeze
/cast [target=focus, exists] mind freeze; mind freeze
"Strang focus"
#showtooltip strangulate
/cast [target=focus, exists] strangulate; strangulate
"DC self-heal"
#showtooltip Lichborne
/cast !Lichborne;
/cast [target=player] Death Coil
"Chains focus"
#showtooltip Chains of Ice
/cast [target=focus]Chains of Ice
"Grip focus"
#showtooltip death grip
/cast [target=focus, exists] death grip; death grip
A lot of really basic ones but yeah, using them makes your life that much easier.
"1 shot macro (not really but)"
/cast vicious gladiator's badge of victory
/cast pillar of frost
/cast horn of winter *this can any GCD you want it to be really, but having it as HoW I find is useful.
For that I use
/Cast Vicious Gladiator's Bade of Victory (13 or 14)
/Cast Blood Tap
/Cast Pillar of Frost
Only downside is that you have to click on it 3 times. But since I button spam anyway, the time it takes in between each action (specifically from blood tap into pillar of frost) is practically really really small, barely noticeable. (I've practically clicked the hotkey fast enough that both timers started on 20 seconds and counted down at the same time.)
I also hate having to wait for a frost rune to use a cooldown, so when all my runes are down, blood tap activates into a pillar of frost, and then ERW for a refresh in runes.
@OP You can also use
#showtooltip Death pact
/castsequence Raise Dead, Death Pact
Yeah, I can see how that would help, I usually only pop it when I know I can (and usually with Unholy Strength is procced)
Fresh 85 - Stats question.
Hey guys, I just got 85 on my DK and I'm playing mainly frost for PvP. As far as I've seen, most ppl reforge everything to mastery for PvP, and to haste for PvE. I really enjoy playing unholy too, and I'd like to know if I could reforge everything to haste and play both specs well (cuz unholy with mastery is not a good idea I guess). The idea is to play both spces with the same gear.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks in advance.
If you have chillblains, you dont need desa?
Thats the impression I'm under. If I'm specced into chillblains, which adds a slow to HB, than putting points in desecration is not needed correct?
This is strictly for pvp, by the way.
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Still take Desa its game changing unless your DW then I would go with the sub blood spec which wont allow you to grab desa but you hardly NS as DW anyway
I would keep chillbains and Desecration because you should always be using necrotic strike in PvP regardless if your duelwield or 2h. The chance to absorb some heals is vital for all DKs.
What am I giving up in my current spec to get desecration then?
bump
Probably something like this
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/tool/talent-calculator#dc01!Y!kYehSZeTaQ!Sb
If you don't take desecration you won't really be able to stick to a healer running around a pillar if he doesn't want you to. Not to mention it passively slows their dps as well. Which we all know they're going to be right behind you ripping you a new one.
I will always suggest against taking desecration as with DW frost, since you need to always HB for the RP for KM frost strikes your target will more than likely always be slowed.
I also like going into blood because dks are squishy enough as is and I prefer the survivability from blade barrier and the control from a 1 min strang more than anything to be gained in the unholy tree.
This is strictly for pvp, by the way.
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Still take Desa its game changing unless your DW then I would go with the sub blood spec which wont allow you to grab desa but you hardly NS as DW anyway
I would keep chillbains and Desecration because you should always be using necrotic strike in PvP regardless if your duelwield or 2h. The chance to absorb some heals is vital for all DKs.
What am I giving up in my current spec to get desecration then?
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Probably something like this
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/tool/talent-calculator#dc01!Y!kYehSZeTaQ!Sb
If you don't take desecration you won't really be able to stick to a healer running around a pillar if he doesn't want you to. Not to mention it passively slows their dps as well. Which we all know they're going to be right behind you ripping you a new one.
I will always suggest against taking desecration as with DW frost, since you need to always HB for the RP for KM frost strikes your target will more than likely always be slowed.
I also like going into blood because dks are squishy enough as is and I prefer the survivability from blade barrier and the control from a 1 min strang more than anything to be gained in the unholy tree.
Blood DK PVP FC?
I'm looking into making a blood spec for flag carrying in Rated BG's and had a few questions. Looking through the forums I see that I should be reforging to mastery where possible but I had some questions as far as enchants and glyphs.
For enchants such as gloves I have seen that some dks are taking mastery over strength. Which enchants would be more beneficial? Also I know that blood dks do fairly low damage in pvp so is it worth it to take spell pen at all? Since it would only effect diseases I don't really see it being something overly worth gemming or chanting for unless there isn't a viable alternative like possibly a cloak.
Also could someone point me at a good blood dk that I could possibly look at to see how they may be specced?
Thanks in advance.
Feel free to use my spec, it works great for me (great self-healing). Also, this may just be my personal opinion, but dont overly stack mastery, alot times when your the FC youre gettin trained from behind *cough*. I found it has worked well to balance out your mastery, stamina, dodge, parry etc as much as possible. Ive yet to lose a battle where I was the FC, but then again, Ive also had some really great healers behind me.
Idk too much about the "science" behind blood FCing. I often hear Resil>Stam yet I see more and more FC's Stacking Stam. Idk. My stuff has been working pretty well yet Idk.
Thanks for the advice. We just haven't had a consistent FC for our RBG's so I was looking into possibly doing it. I'm more most consistent DPS and would prefer to do that but sometimes ya gotta do what you gotta do to help the group.
ANd very true bout the healers. Good healers make or break a good RBG.
I run Warsong Gulch more than any other BG and have a lot of experience as FC. I tested out a lot of different combinations with reforging, gems, enchants just so I could get the best survivability for FC. So go ahead and take a look at my statistics and see what has worked best for me (although you need to work with what abilities your race has to offer too).
I also keep three different Trinkets for different situations in BG's, I have two alchemist stones, one with extra stam, one for strength (although I don't use the strength much in FC situations) and I keep Gladiators badge of Victory and Gladiators medallion of Tenacity, together giving me much more resil than you will see with my profile the way it is currently. If there are a bunch of melee I concentrate on Stamina because it works hand in hand with Mastery. If there are more ranged/casters then I'll use my extra resilience.
Try to keep your options open but one thing that is a necessity is a large amount of stamina. If you're going to be a flag carrier, then from the moment you appear in the room you should have enough stamina for everyone to know that you are the best choice for FC (Just make sure that you have the skill and experience to back it up otherwise you'll just end up assisting in a loss.)
For enchants such as gloves I have seen that some dks are taking mastery over strength. Which enchants would be more beneficial? Also I know that blood dks do fairly low damage in pvp so is it worth it to take spell pen at all? Since it would only effect diseases I don't really see it being something overly worth gemming or chanting for unless there isn't a viable alternative like possibly a cloak.
Also could someone point me at a good blood dk that I could possibly look at to see how they may be specced?
Thanks in advance.
Feel free to use my spec, it works great for me (great self-healing). Also, this may just be my personal opinion, but dont overly stack mastery, alot times when your the FC youre gettin trained from behind *cough*. I found it has worked well to balance out your mastery, stamina, dodge, parry etc as much as possible. Ive yet to lose a battle where I was the FC, but then again, Ive also had some really great healers behind me.
Idk too much about the "science" behind blood FCing. I often hear Resil>Stam yet I see more and more FC's Stacking Stam. Idk. My stuff has been working pretty well yet Idk.
Thanks for the advice. We just haven't had a consistent FC for our RBG's so I was looking into possibly doing it. I'm more most consistent DPS and would prefer to do that but sometimes ya gotta do what you gotta do to help the group.
ANd very true bout the healers. Good healers make or break a good RBG.
I run Warsong Gulch more than any other BG and have a lot of experience as FC. I tested out a lot of different combinations with reforging, gems, enchants just so I could get the best survivability for FC. So go ahead and take a look at my statistics and see what has worked best for me (although you need to work with what abilities your race has to offer too).
I also keep three different Trinkets for different situations in BG's, I have two alchemist stones, one with extra stam, one for strength (although I don't use the strength much in FC situations) and I keep Gladiators badge of Victory and Gladiators medallion of Tenacity, together giving me much more resil than you will see with my profile the way it is currently. If there are a bunch of melee I concentrate on Stamina because it works hand in hand with Mastery. If there are more ranged/casters then I'll use my extra resilience.
Try to keep your options open but one thing that is a necessity is a large amount of stamina. If you're going to be a flag carrier, then from the moment you appear in the room you should have enough stamina for everyone to know that you are the best choice for FC (Just make sure that you have the skill and experience to back it up otherwise you'll just end up assisting in a loss.)
Color coded Ability Icons...
We Death Knights have alot to juggle while in combat since we use Runes.
Does anyone else think it would be helpful to have color dot icons like we have for Blood, Frost, and Unholy Runes, which show their active cooldowns in each ability Icon which correspond to the actual Runes they use?
Just simply the Color of the Rune they use(.) So at-a-glance you can see what Rune or Runes the Abilities call for.
I know we have the abilities become unhighlighted when the are used as a visual que, but this would be something to help manage Rune use in the flow of combat.
Does anyone else think it would be helpful to have color dot icons like we have for Blood, Frost, and Unholy Runes, which show their active cooldowns in each ability Icon which correspond to the actual Runes they use?
Just simply the Color of the Rune they use(.) So at-a-glance you can see what Rune or Runes the Abilities call for.
I know we have the abilities become unhighlighted when the are used as a visual que, but this would be something to help manage Rune use in the flow of combat.
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