Saturday, April 21, 2012
unholy dk 2s help please
hey guys, im currently at 1600 rating in 2s with my resto shaman, i have all 371 gear n gettin my weapon next tuesday. i know my character prrtty thoroughly, n have a razer naga so every spells keybound but i was wondering what the best partner for 2s is, i thinking another uh dk would be unstoppable burst, also i lovefrost but i feel like uh is better for 2s cuz ns spam, can frost be as good? also hows dw frost im interested in trying it, also any helpfulcriticisn on my talents specs or glyphs would be awesome, and any general advice on otations etc for either spec and what i could do to raise my rating higher, thanks! :)
Pally or DK?
Looking for a character for end game pvp/pve casual play. Debating between a pally or dk because both have the option to tank, are melee, and have dps specs. Wondering what the pros and cons are, and whether one would be better for a more casual player?
For a casual player I would suggest a pally. They're a hybrid and are pretty easy to play. for pvp i like the bubble shield and for PvE the healing.
For DK, i use frost which is the DPS class and the rotation is simple. Im not sure about the survivability.
For Pally, I do less DPS than my frost, but i survive longer with heals.
Pally, way easier to get into tanking as a pally than as a DK, I have no real opinions on pvp.
Good deal, appreciate the information.
I figured DK tanking was a bit trickier than a pally. At least it appears that way.
Though, If you wanna be a DK, make a DK. You can learn, it's not like if pally is easier you NEED to make a pally.
Pally Tanking:
Pros
Rotation is simple and easy to get into
Pally tanks are some of the most desired tanks, due to a raid CD and great survivability
Cons
Perhaps too simple of a rotation, sometimes I feel like I'm just a dps that gets smacked in the face.
DK Tanking:
Pros
If you know what you're doing, you could be an amazing tank, especially if you're just doing casual play
More involving and rewarding, if you do it right.
Cons
Many flawed mechanics, though not as noticeable in casual content
Can be the worst tank if you don't properly research the class and cycle CDs
As for DPS, I personally prefer DK DPS. You'll generally do a lot better with an equal gear level as a DK, especially as frost. The rotation is very simple. Ret is based on a lot of RNG and CDs. You can get lucky and do amazing, or not so lucky and do pretty horrid.
Pallys, however, do have the option of healing, which I would consider a pro as well.
If your interest in tanking is greater than null go paladin. Blizzard will adjust their dps soon. Death Knight tanking is going to be a train-wreck for the rest of the expansion. Paladin tanks are just so vastly superior and have been since Ulduar.
If you tank as a paladin you risk losing your sanity, your life, and your cookies. . . Its that annoyingly easy
Ret is almost as bad, you will only lose most your sanity and your cookies
Id rather have very little fun than mountains of kitten-punching frustration. Go Pallie.
For a casual player I would suggest a pally. They're a hybrid and are pretty easy to play. for pvp i like the bubble shield and for PvE the healing.
For DK, i use frost which is the DPS class and the rotation is simple. Im not sure about the survivability.
For Pally, I do less DPS than my frost, but i survive longer with heals.
Pally, way easier to get into tanking as a pally than as a DK, I have no real opinions on pvp.
Good deal, appreciate the information.
I figured DK tanking was a bit trickier than a pally. At least it appears that way.
Though, If you wanna be a DK, make a DK. You can learn, it's not like if pally is easier you NEED to make a pally.
Pally Tanking:
Pros
Rotation is simple and easy to get into
Pally tanks are some of the most desired tanks, due to a raid CD and great survivability
Cons
Perhaps too simple of a rotation, sometimes I feel like I'm just a dps that gets smacked in the face.
DK Tanking:
Pros
If you know what you're doing, you could be an amazing tank, especially if you're just doing casual play
More involving and rewarding, if you do it right.
Cons
Many flawed mechanics, though not as noticeable in casual content
Can be the worst tank if you don't properly research the class and cycle CDs
As for DPS, I personally prefer DK DPS. You'll generally do a lot better with an equal gear level as a DK, especially as frost. The rotation is very simple. Ret is based on a lot of RNG and CDs. You can get lucky and do amazing, or not so lucky and do pretty horrid.
Pallys, however, do have the option of healing, which I would consider a pro as well.
If your interest in tanking is greater than null go paladin. Blizzard will adjust their dps soon. Death Knight tanking is going to be a train-wreck for the rest of the expansion. Paladin tanks are just so vastly superior and have been since Ulduar.
If you tank as a paladin you risk losing your sanity, your life, and your cookies. . . Its that annoyingly easy
Ret is almost as bad, you will only lose most your sanity and your cookies
Id rather have very little fun than mountains of kitten-punching frustration. Go Pallie.
4.2 Frost DK PvP questions
Heey guys, k before we start, I know im just a little level 70 :D. But im just trying to get frost dk pvp cleared up before level 85 so i know what im doing. K lets get started.
I'm pretty sure ill be going DW. And i'm pretty sure that means ill be in frost pres all the time. Correct me if im wrong.
And do DW frost dks use obliterate at all? Or should i use my runes up on death strike instead?
What runeforges should i have on my weapons?
Whats a general rotation for a dw frost dk loook like?
I've heard frost dks say, "Spam HB to build runic power then do a frost strike dump." I've been trying that and it hasn't been going well so far..
Should I spec into rime and annhilation?
Thanks in advance guys :D.
Obliterate is strictly situational in a sense that you only use it against clothies under 35% health with diseases.
HB is not the only thing you'll be spamming. It's both Necrotic Strike and HB.
In a perfect world, I guess it's something like Outbreak -> NS x4 -> HB x2 -> FS dump.
(you'd want to spam Necrotic Strike as much as you can on healers. It deprives them of heals. It's amazing)
In PvP, you'd want Unholy Pressence, Lower GCD = More spells in the long run. the speed boost is nice as well.
Hello, i'll help out.
First of all, the guy above me isn't necessarily wrong, but he's talking about 2h Frost and not DW so no hard feelings but ignore all that.
Edit: STACK MASTERY
On to your questions;
1. You will use unholy presence for either frost or unholy spec.
2. DW frost will never use Oblit because we don't spec into Annihilation. (See my secondary spec for a starting place for speccing DW frost correctly. (As DW you can choose between speccing into the blood tree for 1min strangulates (as i did), or the unholy tree for desecration. Its a personal prefence/arena comp decision)
3. You want to use Razorice and Cinderglacier on your weps
4. Okay so the key to playing Frost successfully is Runic Power management. What you don't want is getting Killing Machine procs, and not having any RP to use them so you waddle around auto attacking like a tard . So yes you want to use your death and frost runes on either Howling Blast or Chains of Ice. This leaves you with two unholy runs that you will use necrotic on. However HB and Frost strikes are a far higher priority.
5. Rime is useless in PvP, annhilation is for 2h peeps for occaisionally obliterate of leather/cloth below 35%
That should get you started. Also a side note, you'll need to reforge your gear for 2% hit, you get the other 3 passively
Your welcome
I'm pretty sure ill be going DW. And i'm pretty sure that means ill be in frost pres all the time. Correct me if im wrong.
And do DW frost dks use obliterate at all? Or should i use my runes up on death strike instead?
What runeforges should i have on my weapons?
Whats a general rotation for a dw frost dk loook like?
I've heard frost dks say, "Spam HB to build runic power then do a frost strike dump." I've been trying that and it hasn't been going well so far..
Should I spec into rime and annhilation?
Thanks in advance guys :D.
Obliterate is strictly situational in a sense that you only use it against clothies under 35% health with diseases.
HB is not the only thing you'll be spamming. It's both Necrotic Strike and HB.
In a perfect world, I guess it's something like Outbreak -> NS x4 -> HB x2 -> FS dump.
(you'd want to spam Necrotic Strike as much as you can on healers. It deprives them of heals. It's amazing)
In PvP, you'd want Unholy Pressence, Lower GCD = More spells in the long run. the speed boost is nice as well.
Hello, i'll help out.
First of all, the guy above me isn't necessarily wrong, but he's talking about 2h Frost and not DW so no hard feelings but ignore all that.
Edit: STACK MASTERY
On to your questions;
1. You will use unholy presence for either frost or unholy spec.
2. DW frost will never use Oblit because we don't spec into Annihilation. (See my secondary spec for a starting place for speccing DW frost correctly. (As DW you can choose between speccing into the blood tree for 1min strangulates (as i did), or the unholy tree for desecration. Its a personal prefence/arena comp decision)
3. You want to use Razorice and Cinderglacier on your weps
4. Okay so the key to playing Frost successfully is Runic Power management. What you don't want is getting Killing Machine procs, and not having any RP to use them so you waddle around auto attacking like a tard . So yes you want to use your death and frost runes on either Howling Blast or Chains of Ice. This leaves you with two unholy runs that you will use necrotic on. However HB and Frost strikes are a far higher priority.
5. Rime is useless in PvP, annhilation is for 2h peeps for occaisionally obliterate of leather/cloth below 35%
That should get you started. Also a side note, you'll need to reforge your gear for 2% hit, you get the other 3 passively
Your welcome
Survivability as Frost in Solo pve
Hey guys,
I just got my DK to 85 after having him sit idle since wotlk. Gearing up is going well, slow but well. I am reforging to hit/expertise to cap, following the pve guide listed up top. My damage is amazing, however I find in solo pve 2-3 mobs give me trouble, even with the dark succor glyph, and my cooldowns.
I can kill them fine, they however can bring my health down quick, especially if I don't get procs. I try to make use of death strike, but it seems like I get burned down a tad fast in solo pve. I know it's probably a gear thing, but figured I would ask. Any ideas?
I am dw frost if it matters.
You are a glass cannon for the most part, try not to pull more than 1-2 at a time if you don't like seeing your health dip.
Depends on what your solo'ing I suppose. You can always leave your DPS gear on and go blood spec for the tougher fights. This is what I do for the Elite mobs and mini-bosses in the Molten Front. This works for soloing raids too.
Edit: didn't look at your gear first. You've got to get a lot more gear before you can solo 3+ mobs. Once you do though, it's ez.
Thank you all, and sarghurim I am already gearing up much quicker than anticipated. If my armory updated, I was very blessed these past two days, especially with the weapons from Heroic Deadmines to tide me over till ZA/ZG.
Appreciate the input guys
I just got my DK to 85 after having him sit idle since wotlk. Gearing up is going well, slow but well. I am reforging to hit/expertise to cap, following the pve guide listed up top. My damage is amazing, however I find in solo pve 2-3 mobs give me trouble, even with the dark succor glyph, and my cooldowns.
I can kill them fine, they however can bring my health down quick, especially if I don't get procs. I try to make use of death strike, but it seems like I get burned down a tad fast in solo pve. I know it's probably a gear thing, but figured I would ask. Any ideas?
I am dw frost if it matters.
You are a glass cannon for the most part, try not to pull more than 1-2 at a time if you don't like seeing your health dip.
Depends on what your solo'ing I suppose. You can always leave your DPS gear on and go blood spec for the tougher fights. This is what I do for the Elite mobs and mini-bosses in the Molten Front. This works for soloing raids too.
Edit: didn't look at your gear first. You've got to get a lot more gear before you can solo 3+ mobs. Once you do though, it's ez.
Thank you all, and sarghurim I am already gearing up much quicker than anticipated. If my armory updated, I was very blessed these past two days, especially with the weapons from Heroic Deadmines to tide me over till ZA/ZG.
Appreciate the input guys
So leveling rotations, right?
SO I'mma quest as frost 2h.
For frost, all I know is that I should get diseases up, obliterate and use frost strike as a runic dumb. What else should I know/how should I get the diseases up/what's a more efficient way of doing this? It seems neat except I'd just like to know more so I can play around and have fun instead of feeling like I'm mashing random buttons.
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For frost, all I know is that I should get diseases up, obliterate and use frost strike as a runic dumb. What else should I know/how should I get the diseases up/what's a more efficient way of doing this? It seems neat except I'd just like to know more so I can play around and have fun instead of feeling like I'm mashing random buttons.
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Frost DW pvp
Does it matter what main hand and off hand you actually equip im currently wearing a s9 one sword in MH and a Axe in the offhand click on my character pic to check my armory currently the dmg is fine the burst is great getting 16k main hand crits and 15k off hand crits with a killing machine/obliterate proc but thats on clothies ^^ lol but give me your advice cuz i've seen some frost pvp dks with the same weaps some with differant weaps
The game rolls a random number between bottom and top-end damage and that's the number you get. Seriously. It doesn't get any more complicated that that. All of those STR weapons are the same 2.6 speed. The damage ranges vary a bit, but that's it. There's no miracle choice.
The bro's with different weapons are probably doing that for racial bonuses (like +expertise) be a bamf and buy what looks the coolest to you.
It's all about racial benefits. I'm a human and I get +3 expertise wielding a sword or a mace. Expertise is important to me in PvP because I rarely get parried by a plate class or a rogue. I know for Worgens your critical increases for holding an axe. If you want to be a better player I would recommend wielding a weapon that best suits your race's specializations. It'll save you some trouble in the future when setting up your stat priorities.
The game rolls a random number between bottom and top-end damage and that's the number you get. Seriously. It doesn't get any more complicated that that. All of those STR weapons are the same 2.6 speed. The damage ranges vary a bit, but that's it. There's no miracle choice.
The bro's with different weapons are probably doing that for racial bonuses (like +expertise) be a bamf and buy what looks the coolest to you.
It's all about racial benefits. I'm a human and I get +3 expertise wielding a sword or a mace. Expertise is important to me in PvP because I rarely get parried by a plate class or a rogue. I know for Worgens your critical increases for holding an axe. If you want to be a better player I would recommend wielding a weapon that best suits your race's specializations. It'll save you some trouble in the future when setting up your stat priorities.
Killing Machine
So do I NEVER use KM on FS or is it ok if i can? I ask this because a few of the guides that i've been reading and watching say to just use KM on Obliterate. But I feel like its a dps loss when I just stand there waiting for my runes to refill just to use the proc. So is it alright if I use KM procs on FS or should I be using KM solely on Obliterate?
if its 3seconds cd left on oblit dont wait use it on fs. chances are in that 3 sec it'll be up again anyways, yes standing around doing nothing is a bigger waste than using it on fs
It's...kind of a split second decision you have to make sometimes to max your DPS. Personally I go with the rule that if KM is up, and I have 1sec time to wait on an Oblit, I'll wait. Otherwise I'll just use FS. Waiting too long will hinder DPS more than it will help it. I have enough haste that KM procs pretty often, so it's a whatever thing.
In a PvP situation use whatever you can to do any DPS towards your target. If you happen to use FS instead of OB that's alright. As long as you do some damage that's fine. For PvE you might have a little more time to think so use whatever fits best.
if its 3seconds cd left on oblit dont wait use it on fs. chances are in that 3 sec it'll be up again anyways, yes standing around doing nothing is a bigger waste than using it on fs
It's...kind of a split second decision you have to make sometimes to max your DPS. Personally I go with the rule that if KM is up, and I have 1sec time to wait on an Oblit, I'll wait. Otherwise I'll just use FS. Waiting too long will hinder DPS more than it will help it. I have enough haste that KM procs pretty often, so it's a whatever thing.
In a PvP situation use whatever you can to do any DPS towards your target. If you happen to use FS instead of OB that's alright. As long as you do some damage that's fine. For PvE you might have a little more time to think so use whatever fits best.
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