Avoidance

[:1]One thing I've not been able to find out in the sticky is how much Avoidance is consider OK for a Blood tank to have. I know Mastery is better than avoidance overall, but sometimes it's just not possible to enchant or reforge into more Mastery. Sometimes I've heard it's ideal to try and achieve an overall 30% combined avoidance (15% Dodge, 15% Parry), some I've heard trying to get the avoidance within 200 rating of each other. What exactly is the "ideal" avoidance I should strive to achieve?
30%, but it will be closer to 17%/13% with swordshattering and Horn. Put swordshattering on and you are there as swordshattering doesn't count for diminishing returns.
Yeah, honestly, our avoidance is high enough just focusing mastery > avoidance. I think I was around 31% fulled buffed with swordshatterring.
The idea is to have the ratings balanced, not the percentages. As Abyssimal pointed out, your stats will look closer to 17% parry 13% dodge, and that should be roughly 1800 or so rating for both. Just know that when you hit 2000+ rating you start seeing diminishing returns on how much Avoidance you get per chunk of rating.
Ah, now I get it. So instead of trying to even the numbers out, I should try and achieve the 30% overall by having the Parry more than Dodge, to the 17% /13% ratio. So If I change the rune to Swordshattering, I will get the 17% Parry I need, then I just bring the excess down a bit to try and get to that sweet spot by tweaking the ratings to be as close to each other as they can.

Alright, I can do that when I next get on today after work. Thanks for the clarification.
EWWWW, working on Memorial Day. I'm just sitting in a lawn chair on my covered patio. It is quite awesome....lol
Being Canadian, I had my long weekend last week. So I can't really complain.
oh, my bad. Always assuming everyone has our AMerican holiday dedicated to the fact that we like war....lol



OT though, diminishing returns on avoidance are always in effect. Its just the more you get, the harsher the returns. I think there is a sticky about it on the tank forums. Its why most just stack mastery (including the block tanks), because of the diminishing returns on avoidance. The mitigation value of mastery just becomes so much better than avoidance. Plus the fact that avoidance will affect our mastery...yadda yadda yadda. Plus just for fun I have wasted like 1000g regemming and reforging to a max avoidance set and my healers hated me. At least the said they noticed the difference. I needed to find something to do the change the game up a bit hoping to make me less bored and frustrated,and race changing to a DK skinned human didn't do it
~25% or higher combined if you're stacking mastery.

Much higher if you're stacking avoidance instead of mastery.
Right now it appears I have a total of 25.51% chance of avoiding attacks with Stoneskin Gargoyle as my Rune, so it's not like I'm starved for avoidance or anything. But we'll see if I can get close to 30% perfectly once I change the rune to Swordshattering.
thanks for this thread I was a little bit confused about this too :)
i think I had it but it confirmed :)

im at 28.2 and I do have Swordshattering maybe I should switch to stoneskin and rebalance everything out.... what do you guys think?
30% is a rough area, not an absolute.

SS > SSG in terms of mitigation. The only time you should consider SSG is if you need more HP to live until your next DS.
ok thanks
ill stick with SS
but might reforge more to mastery and try to have an average of 25 avoidance

thnx guys i needed this. ive been having tanking probs but i think ive about got it down to just my timing my priorities and playing the RE game
30% including sword shattering seems really low to me.

I'm pulling 14.58d and 17.8p with 24.35 mastery.

When I was avoidance tanking I had ~41 with 18.5d and 22.5p with 14-15 mastery.
Oh, never expected to see one of my old posts bumped.
This thread is 3 months old. Of course the numbers are low.
Ew. necro.
Before 4.2 hit, I generally found my avoidance around 13%/17% mark as was suggested. Since 4.2 hit, however, I've found my avoidance has gone up even further than I can reforge, with Dodge around 14.5% and Parry almost 18%, and this is only in a handful of 365/378 along with mostly 359 gear. So yeah, the numbers will be greater these days.